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michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes to gay marriage the train can't be stop. neither can we. it's "the cycle" and it's monday, december 10th. >>> it's monday, fun day here at "the cycle." let's get the party started. where will it land today? fiscal cliff? huh. so much for fun. well you know what? we at "the cycle" can make it fun. look at this. the president living it up in motown last hour calling on republicans to stop being party poopers. >> i believe america only succeeds and thrives when we've got a strong and growing middle class. i want us to bring down our deficits but i want to do it in a balanced, responsible way. an
michigan's governor driving the motor city in to a fight over the unions. why's the president playing backseat driver? >>> i'm steve kornacki. there's outrage maybe even criminal charges coming in that death of the nurse in england. wait a minute. are we being too hard on the pranksters? >> i'm krystal ball. in to the holiday spiritual. our friend is back at the table with tips to dare we say it enjoy the season? >>> all and that a federal case of it. why when it comes...
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should not be allowed to enter in any union. president obama has come out in favor of same-sex marriage though he wants to leave it to the state issue. some people as bill suggested are comparing this to the 70s when opinion was evolving on abortion. the states seemed to work it out and the court came down with a big ruling and 40 years later we're having a holy war on the issue. how do you see the court reacting? do you see some creating a constitutional right or are they narrow and modest? >> it would be a surprise if they did a broad ruling. justice -- that map tells the story when you look at that many states who have banned it versus how many approved it. it gives you a sense of where the country is. it's moving in the direction and i do expect at some point it will be -- the court will rule on it and rule it is a constitutional right, which is my personal view. but i think right now i would expect them to do something more narrow, maybe like the appeals court did in california. the lower court found it was a constitutional
should not be allowed to enter in any union. president obama has come out in favor of same-sex marriage though he wants to leave it to the state issue. some people as bill suggested are comparing this to the 70s when opinion was evolving on abortion. the states seemed to work it out and the court came down with a big ruling and 40 years later we're having a holy war on the issue. how do you see the court reacting? do you see some creating a constitutional right or are they narrow and modest?...
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we are gathered here today to celebrate the union of tim and laura. it's amazing how appreciative people are when you tell them they could save a lot of money on their car insurance by switching to geico...they may even make you their best man. may i have the rings please? ah, helzberg diamonds. nice choice, mate. ...and now in the presence of these guests we join this loving couple. oh dear... geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. >>> the speaker john boehner offers a new plan to cut spending by demanding that president obama come up with john boehner's plan to cut spending. what those cuts are, no one is sure. >> now critics say the speaker is just asking democrats to put specifics into the republican proposal, but i say that's kind of fun. it makes the budget into a giant mad lib. for instance, we agree to cut $10 bazillion from the program that brings ukuleles to the sticky poor. toilet boobs. >> we will play our very own game of mad libs when house democratic whip steny hoyer joins us live just ahead on "now." to the best
we are gathered here today to celebrate the union of tim and laura. it's amazing how appreciative people are when you tell them they could save a lot of money on their car insurance by switching to geico...they may even make you their best man. may i have the rings please? ah, helzberg diamonds. nice choice, mate. ...and now in the presence of these guests we join this loving couple. oh dear... geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. >>> the speaker john boehner...
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what does sciu and sister union, what do you plan to do? >> we think we need to make the case to the people of michigan and all across this country that wage inequality is the number one problem our nation needs to solve, and in michigan that means joining hands between the million union members, a million more community partners and galvanizing two million people to hold our elected officials in michigan accountable to rebuilding the middle class, and you don't rebuild the middle class by tearing unions apart. so we have to have a multi-year, multi-pronged approach. we need to celebrate wal-mart strikers for jobs they can support their families on. we have to work with business that 79s wants to work with us because we need to put more money in workers' pockets so people can start spending again, and we can help speed economic recovery in this -- in michigan and all across the country. >> well, i mean, you are talking about the message there, and obviously, the unions will mount a messaging campaign against what governor rick snyder did, b
what does sciu and sister union, what do you plan to do? >> we think we need to make the case to the people of michigan and all across this country that wage inequality is the number one problem our nation needs to solve, and in michigan that means joining hands between the million union members, a million more community partners and galvanizing two million people to hold our elected officials in michigan accountable to rebuilding the middle class, and you don't rebuild the middle class...
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on the car all part of the usa i had the president in the army is about the kind of union movement has been very very damaging to our politics that's that's a remarkable perspective bruce bartlett thank you so much for bringing everything to this program sharing sharing your thoughts with us i really appreciate. to see this and other conversations with great minds go to our website conversations with great wealth. and that's the way it is today wednesday december twelfth two thousand and twelve. and don't forget democracy begins with you when you decide to get out there and get active show up participate tag your seat. wealthy british style it's time to. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike stronger or a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into kinds a report. download the official. choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorite. t.v. is not required to watch on t.v. all you need is your mobile device to watch on t.v. any time. elaine i've. got.
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relations board, the federal agency tapped with protecting employees from unfair management or the union practices has become a biased advocate for big labor. that blunt assess in the a report released today by chairmachairman isa. >> they are supposed to be a neutral arbitrator and have a firewall between the judges and is representative as a plaintiff. >> it's an appeals court. they have a prosecutor type of role and five-member board has a jury role. a court of law forbid the two from communicating about pending cases. the committee reveal such ex parte communication. some dealing with the boeing plant in south korea and halt production of the 787 dreamliner. in one e-mail, the associate general counsel praises the press release stating that hooray for the red, white, blue. in another r acting to the boeing intention to fight the complaint, nlrb attorney write let the games begin. in another, the nlrb head of public affairs writes to the acting general council worried she made the machinist union mad. all forbidden under the national relations act. >> we need to look at the about and
relations board, the federal agency tapped with protecting employees from unfair management or the union practices has become a biased advocate for big labor. that blunt assess in the a report released today by chairmachairman isa. >> they are supposed to be a neutral arbitrator and have a firewall between the judges and is representative as a plaintiff. >> it's an appeals court. they have a prosecutor type of role and five-member board has a jury role. a court of law forbid the two...
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union members you know are basically going to be able to control the country and i think one. the reason why they're behaving so crazily is because they're desperate because they know that the demographic trends are all going against them and they're just holding on for dear life to two and by the way i wanted to mention the american conservative which you referenced your article on the american conservative is a magazine just for the record and the title of the article was the revenge of the reality based community there you go reality and there was a great phrase that you created back here you heard it on screen. you mentioned this is kind of. we don't believe in democracy thread that runs the republican party. sir edmund burke back in the late eighteenth century you know thomas paine went over to england on his way of the french revolution and spent two weeks from burke's home and ended up with these huge fight that he literally wrote a book as a rebuttal to burn which was which was the rights of man and burke rather famously said words to the effect of i'm probably doing t
union members you know are basically going to be able to control the country and i think one. the reason why they're behaving so crazily is because they're desperate because they know that the demographic trends are all going against them and they're just holding on for dear life to two and by the way i wanted to mention the american conservative which you referenced your article on the american conservative is a magazine just for the record and the title of the article was the revenge of the...
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and a new poll, 40% approve same s marriage and 30% support legal unions and 24% say same sex couples should not be allowed to enter into any such union and now we have president, kirsten, who came out in favor of same sex marriage and wants to leave it as a state issue, not a national law and some people, as the judges are comparing it to the '70s when opinion was evolve on abortion, and, the states seemed to be working it out and the court came down with a big ruling and, 40 years later we are still having the holy war on the issue. how do you see the court reacting do you see them, some people would say, creating a constitutional right? or do you think they are going to be narrow and modest in their decision. >> it would be a surprise if they did such a broad ruling and, just ginsburg talked about this a lot. roe vs. wade, how they should have left it to the states and let it play out and i suspect, the map you put up, tells the whole story, you look at that many states who banned it versus how many approved it, it gives you a good sense where the country is on the issue. yes, it i
and a new poll, 40% approve same s marriage and 30% support legal unions and 24% say same sex couples should not be allowed to enter into any such union and now we have president, kirsten, who came out in favor of same sex marriage and wants to leave it as a state issue, not a national law and some people, as the judges are comparing it to the '70s when opinion was evolve on abortion, and, the states seemed to be working it out and the court came down with a big ruling and, 40 years later we...
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you can be fired for trying to form a union here in new york and one farm worker i spoke to worked for ten years, 12-hour shifts, every day without a day off for ten years. >> the notion of human rights being an issue right here is something that we pay very little, if any attention to and when we talk about resourcing the fight to combat human rights abuses it's very much worth mentioning the fact that you guys are -- you have an auction going on right now, it started i believe yesterday and it has some incredible, incredible items for sale which we must draw everyone's attention to. fly fishing for two with paul volcker in the catskills something benjamin wallace wells has always wanted to do. and an exclusive speech by bill clinton and a photo with him, which is actually priceless. lunch with obama body man reggie love which i think has set hearts aflame across the united states. >> you'red bying on that. >> i might be. >> and a character named after you and john irving's upcoming novel which i believe josh greene -- i feel like you've figured prominently john irving novels. >> will
you can be fired for trying to form a union here in new york and one farm worker i spoke to worked for ten years, 12-hour shifts, every day without a day off for ten years. >> the notion of human rights being an issue right here is something that we pay very little, if any attention to and when we talk about resourcing the fight to combat human rights abuses it's very much worth mentioning the fact that you guys are -- you have an auction going on right now, it started i believe yesterday...
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you can stay in the union. a lot of people in wisconsin decided i don't want to stay in the union. the argument of the union we'll negotiate it and get you better wages and those not in the union will benefit. that's the situation. >> steve: absolutely. >> brian: you choose thot fonegotiate. >> steve: democrats and the left are terrified that the right to work movement will spread all over the counselry. why? union dues are the life blood of the democratic party . for workers who want a choose. which would you rather live in a right to work late where the unemployment is 6.9 or not right to work state where unemployment is higher. mr. krauthammer talked about the future of union. >> the fact is gloir days of 40s and 50s and 60s. uaw gave the workers the highest wages . that was the only industrial country that came out of the second world war in. europe was on its knees and japan was rubble. we thought that was the natural order of things. now we are world competition, we ran into bankruptcy. chrysler now twice . we see it in the southern states where the plants are. they were not
you can stay in the union. a lot of people in wisconsin decided i don't want to stay in the union. the argument of the union we'll negotiate it and get you better wages and those not in the union will benefit. that's the situation. >> steve: absolutely. >> brian: you choose thot fonegotiate. >> steve: democrats and the left are terrified that the right to work movement will spread all over the counselry. why? union dues are the life blood of the democratic party . for workers...
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this relationship lasted 50 years from america to the soviet union, through europe. through his imprisonment and her traveling around the country. yet, they would try to explain to each other, they had other lovers, she was married and yet it was always that relationship, their friends would say there's really nothing like it. you can't come between it. >> the heart of this remarkable story, a passage for you and for, of course, your father and everything that he contributed over all of those years and congratulations. rave reviews from the "new york times." >> thank you. >> this is a very big deal. >> thank you so much. >> we will be right back. veteran former congressman jack brooks has died. he represented southeast texas for 42 years. he died tuesday night at the age of 89. brooks was in the dallas motorcade when john f. kennedy was assassinated in 1963 and can be seen on air force one standing behind jackie kennedy when lyndon johnson took the oath of office later that day. he was one of the last holdouts of an era when democrats dominated texas politics. brooks
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it is stupid, it's what they did in the soviet union. kill ambition. to hell with that. >> stephanie: wow, someone is getting a little upset about losing their spare oxycontin stash. lots of people have proposed 100% tax rate. that's exactly what is on the table. >> you can't expect rush logic to enter into reality. >> stephanie: yes, and liberalism is to blame. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> how? so -- >> stephanie: doesn't matter jim. and also rush limbaugh marriage expert had something to do with they are not married. >> well, he says that women -- one way to make women conservative is to marry them and he is trying to do that one lady at a time. >> yes he is. >> stephanie: okay. shawn handy. >> republicans have allowed themselves to get caught in a circular firing squad, negotiating among themselves and now tea party members are being removed from key committees. and john boehner adopted the rhetoric of rich versus the poor. >> stephanie: oh no. >> if sean hannity is on the case, it is going to get solved. i'm shocked, i still can't believe, that
it is stupid, it's what they did in the soviet union. kill ambition. to hell with that. >> stephanie: wow, someone is getting a little upset about losing their spare oxycontin stash. lots of people have proposed 100% tax rate. that's exactly what is on the table. >> you can't expect rush logic to enter into reality. >> stephanie: yes, and liberalism is to blame. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> how? so -- >> stephanie: doesn't matter jim. and also rush limbaugh...
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but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit is bankrupt. other cities have declared bankruptcy. they are gone. it's debatable whether those union pensions are in pact paid. if you are looking over the cliff, the municipal debt and the state debt cliff, you are right on the edge of serious problem for states and cities all across the country. detroit has said we are talking bailout. that's a huge question. martha: stuart, thank you. it seems like we are standing on a plateau and there are cliffs all around. in 2011, 13 cities filed for bankruptcy. that's the highest annual level we have seen in
but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit...
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it's inviting the anchors on telemundo to the prestate of the union lunch when before it was just the mainstream media that got invited. it's that, you know, speaking spanish from the white house podium first time ever in a regularly scheduled white house press briefing. there's -- a lot of this, you know, in respect -- >> respect. >> issues matter tremendously. respect has to go with the issues. i think it's that that's combination. again, 50% support for the affordable care act. a middle class mentality for latinos who appreciate what the president has done and president's priority on the middle class, and opponent's elsewhere. that combination is what work and what continues to work. democrats make a mistake if we go out, blocked this up, this is ours, all we have to do is really nail it down is comprehensive immigration. >> not good for latinos either. last you want is african-americans taken for granted by one and ignored by the other; right? that's the last thing. >> i don't think you can get away with that. >> well, let's -- >> let me finish two things quickly. >> the ignoring
it's inviting the anchors on telemundo to the prestate of the union lunch when before it was just the mainstream media that got invited. it's that, you know, speaking spanish from the white house podium first time ever in a regularly scheduled white house press briefing. there's -- a lot of this, you know, in respect -- >> respect. >> issues matter tremendously. respect has to go with the issues. i think it's that that's combination. again, 50% support for the affordable care act. a...
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michigan is a heavily unionized state so why would it be going right to work. there's enormous downward pressure on wages on american companies around the world that can make things cheaper elsewhere than here and our wages are uncompetitive in a lot of ways. in effect what people in michigan have to decide, do you want fewer jobs at higher wages or lower jomore jobs at lower w they have decided they want more jobs. >> you look at michigan and detroit, that's a pretty easy answer. >> the unemployment rate. >> the unemployment rate is horrible. detroit in 1960, i think, was one of the wealth nest city if not the wealthiest city in america and now one of the poorest. >> the fourth largest. >> this is a done deal, going through the house today, to a republican governor and says he will sign it. >> it's symbolic of two things, one, the politics of it all, what we've seen in wisconsin and elsewhere and the unpopularity of unions these days and secondly an economic phenomenon, basically a statement we want jobs and we're willing to take them, even if it means lower w
michigan is a heavily unionized state so why would it be going right to work. there's enormous downward pressure on wages on american companies around the world that can make things cheaper elsewhere than here and our wages are uncompetitive in a lot of ways. in effect what people in michigan have to decide, do you want fewer jobs at higher wages or lower jomore jobs at lower w they have decided they want more jobs. >> you look at michigan and detroit, that's a pretty easy answer....
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but within a week he was read the riot act by the unions and the aarp who will resist any meaningful changes to the entitlement spending programs that are now bankrupting our country. later this week i will outline a series of entitlement spending changes that could and should be supported on a bipartisan basis. the president told the american people that he wants a balanced approach. my hope is that the president comes forward on his own, with his own details on how he would fix the entitlement spending programs. and i mean real details on real proposals with real teeth. not the window dressing in the president's budget that even the democrats reject and have rejected in the past. the president has demanded a balanced approach. it is what he promised the american people, and it is what we republicans are prepared to give him. if the president wants to avoid going over the fiscal cliff, he can steer us away from it. special interests and his liberal base will no doubt cry foul, but they will follow him if he will lead. and i don't see the leadership, between you and me. not to put to
but within a week he was read the riot act by the unions and the aarp who will resist any meaningful changes to the entitlement spending programs that are now bankrupting our country. later this week i will outline a series of entitlement spending changes that could and should be supported on a bipartisan basis. the president told the american people that he wants a balanced approach. my hope is that the president comes forward on his own, with his own details on how he would fix the...
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second, how we got here, it's not unions. wages for americans have been going down the past 115 years. people are not keeping up with inflation. the average american worker has taken a 2011 pay cut when you compare what they made 10 years ago to what they're making now. -- $2000 pay cut. on the spending, i disagree with you. the republicans in congress in particular have opened up the piggy bank. when you have the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan on the credit card, that's a disgrace. never in the history of this country have we put the cost more on a credit card. with the bush tax cuts, they said it would increase the economy. it did not. we had higher tax rates under clinton and then lower tax rates under bush. these are policies we have passed in this country that have led to this. it has primarily been under republican leadership. if it does not mean democrats don't have some responsibility. host: peter welch is our guest until the top of the hour. the democrat from vermont, the chief deputy whip for the house leade
second, how we got here, it's not unions. wages for americans have been going down the past 115 years. people are not keeping up with inflation. the average american worker has taken a 2011 pay cut when you compare what they made 10 years ago to what they're making now. -- $2000 pay cut. on the spending, i disagree with you. the republicans in congress in particular have opened up the piggy bank. when you have the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan on the credit card, that's a disgrace....
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by taking away the requirement of union dues. that's pretty significant, because the state of michigan is one of the birthplaces of modern labor rights. >> reporter: michigan's republican controlled state legislature approved two controversial right-to-work bills, all the while pro union protesters crowded the capital. >> wages will go down. benefits will go down. it's going to hurt small business, local business. it's just going to hurt michigan. >> reporter: at issue is right to work. it allowed people to opt out of joining the union at the workplace. the governor has flip-flopped, saying it was labor and democrats who hit first, trying to pass prop 2 in november. voters turned it down. >> made the point to him to say if you go forward with this, you're going to create an environment involving labor issues that this could rise to the level where i might not be able to keep it off the agenda and that's what happened. >> reporter: democrats and congress met privately with the governor asking him to delay the divisive issue. he di
by taking away the requirement of union dues. that's pretty significant, because the state of michigan is one of the birthplaces of modern labor rights. >> reporter: michigan's republican controlled state legislature approved two controversial right-to-work bills, all the while pro union protesters crowded the capital. >> wages will go down. benefits will go down. it's going to hurt small business, local business. it's just going to hurt michigan. >> reporter: at issue is...
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he said the administration is intent on unionizing so union bosses will [ inaudible ] collective bargaining. he was willing -- is willing to cause, quote unquote serious obstructions in the economy. he was asked on fox news despite not raising the debt ceiling would cause serious problems, he said i'm willing to do that in order to get serious cuts to social security and medicare. bye-bye [ applause ] >> stephanie: senator lindsay graham. >> i met with jim demint this morning, and to say i was stunned is an understatement. he has always been a friend somebody i could count on. we have really enjoyed our time together. >> wait a minute go back. >> stephanie: once again, another stunned moment for me! vapors. >> we had some wonderful times together. >> something tells me that lindsay graham has clutched some pearls before. >> as god as my witness i will never go hungry again. >> compared to jim demint is a stark-raving mad liberal. >> stephanie: and senator harry reid. >> i have always liked the guy, and even though i disagree with so much of what he has done i appreciate -- i personally beli
he said the administration is intent on unionizing so union bosses will [ inaudible ] collective bargaining. he was willing -- is willing to cause, quote unquote serious obstructions in the economy. he was asked on fox news despite not raising the debt ceiling would cause serious problems, he said i'm willing to do that in order to get serious cuts to social security and medicare. bye-bye [ applause ] >> stephanie: senator lindsay graham. >> i met with jim demint this morning, and...
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were we really dealing with a serious strategic threat from the soviet union? >> well, that's a great, that's a great question. i think if you look at the deployments that you just talking about, of the ss-20, the western military district of the soviet union in a broader context, in terms of a broad modernization and build up of russian nuclear forces, marvin, i think not only viewed as a threat militarily, but it was also viewed in the words we use to use in that time, also viewed as a threat, a political thread in terms of decoupling. the security of the united states from the european allies. this decoupling concept actually originated in europe in the 1970s. and it's interesting and important to go back and look at the origin of this whole issue back to really the german government, chancellor schmidt who, in the late '70s started pointing to russian deployment, as potentially threatening the solidarity of the alliance, and the concept that for every piece of real estate in nato, europe as well as canada and the united states, was the same. and that, that
were we really dealing with a serious strategic threat from the soviet union? >> well, that's a great, that's a great question. i think if you look at the deployments that you just talking about, of the ss-20, the western military district of the soviet union in a broader context, in terms of a broad modernization and build up of russian nuclear forces, marvin, i think not only viewed as a threat militarily, but it was also viewed in the words we use to use in that time, also viewed as a...
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. >> gretchen: why did you resign from the union? >> i left the union because i saw no purpose in belonging to it and i was broke, i was a teacher and i needed money. >> steve: and you live in florida, you don't have to belong to the union. >> exactly. >> steve: what do you make of the proposal by the american federation of teachers. they will have a high standard like a bar exam for teachers because it is hard to be a lawyer and hard to become a teacher, right? >> right. [laughing] i don't buy it. every state already has in place certification tests that people take. i believe that their intention to make the standards more rigorous. i fully support and i think you node the best of the best teaching the students. but at the same time. you continue to demand higher and higher quality and somebody has to pay for it. >> gretchen: don't you think it could be the teacher unions have come under fire because of the documentaries like waiting for super man and other movies that came out and said it is because of the unions potentially that
. >> gretchen: why did you resign from the union? >> i left the union because i saw no purpose in belonging to it and i was broke, i was a teacher and i needed money. >> steve: and you live in florida, you don't have to belong to the union. >> exactly. >> steve: what do you make of the proposal by the american federation of teachers. they will have a high standard like a bar exam for teachers because it is hard to be a lawyer and hard to become a teacher, right?...
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why are these unions so angry about giving workers free choice? why is so much of the news media carrying the union's water by not reporting the story? we'll have some answers in just a little while. now, the market gyrated today over ben bernanke and the fed. at first they loved the new bond buying and money printing message. but then they gave up all their gains feeling unemployment may drop faster and the party would somehow be over. i'm not sure i understand this but we'll ask our experts mike, i gue i guess the idea is maybe the unemployment gets to 6.5% and the 0 interest rate goes up, why would that be bad? sometimes i don't understand the stock market at all. >> i don't think it's the employment figure. i think it's the inflation number that bernanke threw out there, larry. you also mentioned 2.5% inflation as being certainly that would look him put the brakes on. we look at treasuries relative to tips, it's a at 3.08%. i think the market is saying we might be where bernanke is talking about inflation and putting on the brakes. i think tha
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has a bigger adjustment than any of the european unions. it gives an urgency for us to act. it is also possible to theorize about how a continuation of these policies could hurt growth farther into the future. a recent paper shows that if we do not act on this, and we are basically producing a fundamentally different america. it suggests that we are going to move into a world by 2040 were economic growth in the u.s. is not what we normally expect to see each year. there is crowding out of unity by the government. that is how urgent it is. what should we do? there is another large literature that looks at fiscal consolidations. using my own study as an example and along with my two colleagues, our metric of success is that they achieve deficit reduction. we found fiscal consolidations that were very heavily weighted for spending were much more likely to be except the both then consolidations that were -- likely to be more successful than consolidations that were heavily weighted toward tax increases. we speculate that this is because we find this result because the tax heavy
has a bigger adjustment than any of the european unions. it gives an urgency for us to act. it is also possible to theorize about how a continuation of these policies could hurt growth farther into the future. a recent paper shows that if we do not act on this, and we are basically producing a fundamentally different america. it suggests that we are going to move into a world by 2040 were economic growth in the u.s. is not what we normally expect to see each year. there is crowding out of unity...
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workplaces pay union dues. an army of officers have been guarding the governor's office all day. some of these demonstrators have been here since 5:00 this morning. the republican governor has signed the law. >> with a stroke of a pen, take our rights away. it's offensive. >> reporter: supporters call it right to work, but unions say it's nothing less than an effort to cut their bargaining power. less dues means less influence. the afl-cio says the average worker in right to work states earns $1,500 less than workers in states without those laws. >> these so-called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> reporter: but supporters say the law encourages business. chris beckering owns a construction company and predicts the bill will allow his company to hire more workers. >> this will attract more businesses to michigan. those businesses will need space and we're here to
workplaces pay union dues. an army of officers have been guarding the governor's office all day. some of these demonstrators have been here since 5:00 this morning. the republican governor has signed the law. >> with a stroke of a pen, take our rights away. it's offensive. >> reporter: supporters call it right to work, but unions say it's nothing less than an effort to cut their bargaining power. less dues means less influence. the afl-cio says the average worker in right to work...
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we see wages for union and nonunion workers go down when we have that kind of a race to the bottom. we see health benefits and pensions decrease, we see lower consumer spending because middle-class families have less money in their pocket. so these kinds of laws hurt families. it's not about economics or freedom, it's about raw politics. and workers need to have confidence that they will have a voice in the workplace and they will have a decent wage and benefits they can count on to be able to have a good life for themselves and their families. that's really what this is all about in so many ways where families are under attack right now. middle-class people trying to hold it together, people trying to figure out how to get into the middle class, who have been knocked down over and over again. it's time to stop saying the words "middle class" and actually believe and act as if it's important to our country, because it is. it's essential if we're going to have a quality of life and an economy and we're going to have families who know that the american dream is not just a couple of wo
we see wages for union and nonunion workers go down when we have that kind of a race to the bottom. we see health benefits and pensions decrease, we see lower consumer spending because middle-class families have less money in their pocket. so these kinds of laws hurt families. it's not about economics or freedom, it's about raw politics. and workers need to have confidence that they will have a voice in the workplace and they will have a decent wage and benefits they can count on to be able to...
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in fact, there was an intent to compromise with civil unions. obviously, that failed. >> why don't you have a floor demonstration like in the old days. stand up on the floor for everybody wlo's pro-gay rights. why don't you go to the floor of your convention and say this isn't fair? >> well, what happened is you saw an anchor around the neck of kand datss up and down the ticket. that platform usually platforms are a no consequence for any candidate at any time. but this cycle, it actually didn't matter. >> what did you personally do to stop them from doing it again? >> what would i do? >> yeah. >> did you testify? >> yes, we did. >> you? personally? you? >> yes, pre-platform hearing sessions, there were meetings -- actually, log cabin republicans were invited to attend. so one of the things that we did get in there is don't mess with open service. they said we're not going to support that. >> let me get back to joan, thanks for joining us tonight, joan. i think this is a partisan issue. i do read platforms, unlike you, clark. and the party is go
in fact, there was an intent to compromise with civil unions. obviously, that failed. >> why don't you have a floor demonstration like in the old days. stand up on the floor for everybody wlo's pro-gay rights. why don't you go to the floor of your convention and say this isn't fair? >> well, what happened is you saw an anchor around the neck of kand datss up and down the ticket. that platform usually platforms are a no consequence for any candidate at any time. but this cycle, it...
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you don't have to pay union dues if you are in a union shop. what you do have to do is if you are getting benefits from organizing, higher wages and benefits, you need to pay a fair share of the actual bargaining costs because you're benefiting from that. in fact, right now ender law if you are not paying money into a union, if you get fired, the union still needs to defend you and if they don't you can sue them. this is about fairness. if a worker is getting the benefits of having an organization in that workplace, they should pay their fair share of those costs because of the benefits that they are getting. that's what this is. it's about fairness. and not to do this, this would be like saying to people, well, you can have all the benfys of social security but you have the option of not paying into it if you like but you still get the benefits. of course people are going to say, why pay in, i'm not going to pay. and if everybody decides not to pay, then social security falls apart. that's really what's at stake here with unions. it's an attem
you don't have to pay union dues if you are in a union shop. what you do have to do is if you are getting benefits from organizing, higher wages and benefits, you need to pay a fair share of the actual bargaining costs because you're benefiting from that. in fact, right now ender law if you are not paying money into a union, if you get fired, the union still needs to defend you and if they don't you can sue them. this is about fairness. if a worker is getting the benefits of having an...
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the european union is also going to get involved and more sanctions. but my point is, i don't think they still have the capability to reach the united states, but they might some time soon. and so what we have to do is recognize that possibility. so a new approach, i believe, is needed. and i have i haven't figured out what that might be. we've tried engagement, diplomacy, excessive sanctions, isolate. i still think the worst thing to do is try to isolate them, sanction them to death. they already have so many sanctions. perhaps some new framework involving a different kind of six-party talks. the view has been that china runs the show with north korea. well, that's obviously not the case. they've got leverage, but, i think some new thinking is really needed. >> because i've heard, and i'm sure you have as well, from some optimists out there, because he has now proven himself to the generals and others, kim jong-un, the new leader of north korea, approaching the one-year anniversary of his father's death, he's got credibility, and precisely because of
the european union is also going to get involved and more sanctions. but my point is, i don't think they still have the capability to reach the united states, but they might some time soon. and so what we have to do is recognize that possibility. so a new approach, i believe, is needed. and i have i haven't figured out what that might be. we've tried engagement, diplomacy, excessive sanctions, isolate. i still think the worst thing to do is try to isolate them, sanction them to death. they...
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and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of those on the far right richard mourdock is still pointing fingers after losing the senate race in indiana. sounds like sore loser. this is "hardball" the place for politics. [ male announcer ] feeling like a shadow of your former self? c'mon, michael! get in the game! [ male announcer ] don't have the hops for hoops with your buddies? lost your appetite for romance? and your mood is on its way down. you might not just be getting older. you might have a treatable condition called low testosterone or low t. millions of men, forty-five or older, may have low t. so talk to your doctor about low t. hey, mi
and michigan was considered the cradle of unionism. so, you know, unions are under assault. not just in the private sector, chris, but the public sector unions. remember, right to work yesterday has effected the entire public sector union movement. and that's where most of the membership and growth has been in the union movement in the last decade or two. >> okay. it's great having you on. bill, i hear you're a great reporter. and mr. geiss, good luck on your career. >>> one of...
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and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of the fiscal cliff. kent conrad said earlier it's too soon and involve -- permit too much time for the advocates to take time at it. thank you very much. we'll talk to you tomorrow i hope. that does it for this edition. tomorrow we have a big show. congresswoman rogers, chair of the house republican conference, former obama foreign policy adviser, former pentagon advis r adviser, "the washington post" eugene robinson and oliver stone. tamron hall is right here. >> hey there, andrea. great to be in d.c. an it is your town. we'll talk about when's happening. another town, michiga
and that's how unions -- that's how unions survive. and thrive. so, yeah. this is going to be something that we're going to be talking about tomorrow and in the months and probably years to come. i can't remember who said it to you earlier. also, in the program today that, you know, michigan could be the model for the country. >> something that the uaw and its supporters do not want to take place. jonathan, of course we don't know whether tomorrow's the day when we have a resolution of...
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union. if you look, i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. >> are you serious? are you serious, this is not anti-union? at its core, this undermines the ability for unions to organize so you can make many arguments you like to say it's not anti-union. >> all right. >> this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with collective bargaining at all. >> erin, big picture, what does this mean for organized labor? >> what it means is they will be fueled and energized going into the 2014 midterm elections and i can't believe that we are talking about another election cycle just yet, but i interviewed the chair of the democratic governors association, the governor of vermont, over the weekend and he was telling me that this will be a very big deal going into all of the midwestern gubernatorial races in 2014. there are a lot of republicans who won in 2010 and obviously, because of this issue, they're really going to go after tho
union. if you look, i believe this is pro-worker. because the way i view it is workers now have freedom to choose. >> are you serious? are you serious, this is not anti-union? at its core, this undermines the ability for unions to organize so you can make many arguments you like to say it's not anti-union. >> all right. >> this does not deal with organizing at all. this does not deal with collective bargaining at all. >> erin, big picture, what does this mean for...
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we've tried additional sanctions, and sanctions are probably going to happen from the european union, possibly more from the u.n., but almost every sanction is on north korea. i think the six-party countries, the united states, south korea, japan, russia, china. china is a big player here, because they have the most influence. they have to figure out how to deal with this new leader. i mean, they've got nuclear weapons. they've got missile technology, but they're also very poor. they're also possibly their sending a trial balloon saying, we want to bargain. i don't know, because very few people have met this new leader and which direction he wants to go is still uncertain. >> so in a lot of all that, i mean, what do you recommend if you were actually advising president obama at this time to do? people don't know who he is. he, obviously, is trying to do the muscle flex here. the six-party talks have been a failure. they basically ended back in 2009. what would you recommend? >> well, i'm not privy to their deliberations. what i would recommend is, first, you do have to fulfill obligat
we've tried additional sanctions, and sanctions are probably going to happen from the european union, possibly more from the u.n., but almost every sanction is on north korea. i think the six-party countries, the united states, south korea, japan, russia, china. china is a big player here, because they have the most influence. they have to figure out how to deal with this new leader. i mean, they've got nuclear weapons. they've got missile technology, but they're also very poor. they're also...
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where union dues are voluntary. >> tom: more bumpy skies for boeing's 787 dreamliner. boeing's much anticipated and high-profile plane was grounded last week, according to "the new york times." the federal aviation administration also has ordered that fuel line connectors on all 787s be inspected. analysts call these problems minor hiccups. but as sylvia hall reports, the dreamliner's profitability to boeing right now is raising bigger concerns. >> reporter: boeing's 787 dreamliner promises to use about 20% less fuel than other planes. that's a big deal for an airline industry struggling with fuel costs. so far, boeing's sold more than 800 of its dreamliners, but the project has been plagued with three years of costly production delays. the company is ramping up production on the planes, but some analysts don't expect the company to see a profit from the line until at least 2020. the reason? the dreamliners are probably sold at discounts, which is normain ts industrybut boeing's production costs aren't going down fast enough to match. >> assuming a 30% discount, boeing
where union dues are voluntary. >> tom: more bumpy skies for boeing's 787 dreamliner. boeing's much anticipated and high-profile plane was grounded last week, according to "the new york times." the federal aviation administration also has ordered that fuel line connectors on all 787s be inspected. analysts call these problems minor hiccups. but as sylvia hall reports, the dreamliner's profitability to boeing right now is raising bigger concerns. >> reporter: boeing's 787...
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i think it is the un-wisdom of the currency union. there is no evidence that countries with bigger welfare states are in bigger trouble. with the previous caller, i totally agree. the skills of workers more unemployed is not much of to an employers. if there is was this unmet demand for skilled workers out there and employees had openings but there were not the right people, you would see wages spiking in all sorts of occupations. i do not see wages spiking in any sector of the economy right now. the idea that there is this diagnosis that, it is too bad you people are not employed, you people do not have the right skills, there is no evidence that is going on. host: jim on the republican line, from maine. caller: i think unemployment is probably a good thing, but when you expanded too far, it put a really heavy burden on the employers. as one lady called in on the last segment, the state she was from is obviously much higher than maine is, but when it gets to a point that your state system goes broke, they put fees on the employer, an
i think it is the un-wisdom of the currency union. there is no evidence that countries with bigger welfare states are in bigger trouble. with the previous caller, i totally agree. the skills of workers more unemployed is not much of to an employers. if there is was this unmet demand for skilled workers out there and employees had openings but there were not the right people, you would see wages spiking in all sorts of occupations. i do not see wages spiking in any sector of the economy right...
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you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watch nt this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away the right to deuce deductions for teachers. that's why we're fighting here today, we want to stop this before they try it take away the rights of private sector workers to bargain over wages or pensions or health care. this is about democracy and about america. also want to say for economic development, governor snyder was just bragging yesterday 144,000 jobs since he's been governor. most of those created by the auto industry through collective bargaining. we sat down with ford, general motors, and chrysler, our in my opinion made
you have a great union there. is this right to work thing really going to hurt your union and kill the esprit de corps of the union workers? why would this hurt them? >> i don't think it will in the uaw. we have great membership loyalty. the problem is it's just the first step. we have watch nt this state right wing legislatures pass laws to take away the collective bargaining rights from public sector employees on health care and pensions. they did a petty vindictive law that took away...
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when the bill becomes law, unions will have the right to make their case. now workers will have the right to make their decision. >> can i switch gears briefly on the question of detroit city, its terrible finances, the likelihood that it's going into bankruptcy, some of the local politicians asked president obama to bail out detroit city. do you think a bail out like that's coming? >> i think we need detroit to accept responsibility. we need a healthy detroit. in michigan we want a healthy detroit. we need detroiters to accept responsibility. they are free to ask the president for more money. i can tell you there will not be more money coming from lansing. we need to get detroit fixed and move forward together. >> apparently mayor dave bing, the former basketball great and a good businessman before he was mayor says, and i will quote -- he blames the culture of victimization and entitlement for detroit's woes. i can write that large for the entire usa budget deficit but let's stick to detroit. is the mayor correct? >> i will leave mayor bing to stand for h
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fees similar to union dues. the outcome is considered a foregone conclusion. governor rick schneider says he will sign the bills. in michigan yesterday, though, president obama said what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. for those with visions of doing this... ...this... ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-store or online. >>> in between all the conjecture over what secretary of state hillary clinton will or are not do when she leaves office, one fact is not dispited, achievements in promoting human rights, especially women's rights around the world. with her departure emt nent who will fill that void in i'm joined now by carrie kennedy, founder of the robert f. kennedy senator, daughter of the late robert kennedy. good to see you. thanks for coming in. >> thanks. >> hillary clinton has championed women's rights. she has been in many ways a very tireless fighter for this. and i'm wondering, how much
fees similar to union dues. the outcome is considered a foregone conclusion. governor rick schneider says he will sign the bills. in michigan yesterday, though, president obama said what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. for those with visions of doing this... ...this... ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-store or online. >>> in between all the conjecture over what...
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in fact, there was even intent to compromise with civil unions. obviously that failed, but -- >> why don't you have a floor demonstration against it like in the old days. everybody who is pro gay rights and for gay marriage equality, why don't you go to the floor of the convention, walk around with placards and say this isn't fair. why don't do you that? >> you saw an anchor around the neck of candidates up and down the ticket. usually plat forges of no con quens for any candidate at any time. this time it did matter -- >> what did you personally do to stop them -- >> what would i do? >> what did you do? did you testify? >> yes, we did. >> you did? personally? >> yes. preplatform hearing sessions, there are meetings at the rny, log could be bin republicans was invited to attend. we went through line by line and gave guidances on what to avoid and what could be put in to be helpful. one of the things we did get in there was don't mess with open service. the rnc years ago had said we're not going to support that. we got that -- >> removed that. let
in fact, there was even intent to compromise with civil unions. obviously that failed, but -- >> why don't you have a floor demonstration against it like in the old days. everybody who is pro gay rights and for gay marriage equality, why don't you go to the floor of the convention, walk around with placards and say this isn't fair. why don't do you that? >> you saw an anchor around the neck of candidates up and down the ticket. usually plat forges of no con quens for any candidate...